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  BETHELITES SERVED AT BROTHEL

  by bj in

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  like metatron, i would like to know the facts that exist to prove that in the time of rutherford, bethelites and others got regularily serviced at a local brothel (as stated by barbara gazzutis in her book).

  if similar stories exist today, i would be glad to know about them as the wts takes delight in expossing jim swaggart and others!

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  Which just goes to show that when a person's mind has been so completely corrupted with wicked suspicions, there is a point when the deluded victim will greedily gulp down the most salacious slander and scandal with relish. / You Know
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  Famous Last Words

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  the great depression had more to do with shaping the character and defining the last century than any other event, except the great wars that caused and followed the depression.

  the structure of the financial system though has radically changed since that time, in that it is many times larger, global in fact, and it is much more fragile and complex, in that it reacts nearly instantaneously to various factors.

  the average person is now much more dependent upon and indebted to the system as well.

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  Why does god in one generation raise the dead, heal the sick and provide food for multitudes for people who haven't
  been tested at all and in another generation test people's faith by seeing how long they can stand bad conditions?

  And yet most people that saw Christ perform all those miracles didn't become Christians. Most people that followed Jesus were so fleshly minded that they just wanted a hand out from him and didn't care one wit about the truth of God that he had. It has always been a relative minority that have been willing to put up with suffering or hardship or personal inconvenience for something having to do with faith. / You Know
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  Famous Last Words

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  the great depression had more to do with shaping the character and defining the last century than any other event, except the great wars that caused and followed the depression.

  the structure of the financial system though has radically changed since that time, in that it is many times larger, global in fact, and it is much more fragile and complex, in that it reacts nearly instantaneously to various factors.

  the average person is now much more dependent upon and indebted to the system as well.

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  Thousands of JWs have been damaged by failed prophecy.

  FALSE. Prophecy has never failed, and will never fail. True, our expectations of an early deliverance has led to diappointment time and time again, but we now realize that even that is part of the prophecy. So if our momentary disappointments result in God's word coming true, then that's fine with us too. The apostles suffered from the same sort of 'irrational exuberance,' to borrow a phrase from Alan Greenspan, in their expectations that Christ's kingdom was going to "instantly display itself." Even throughout the 1st century it appears that most Christians expected Christ to return. But that's what keep them busy and active in anticipation of the kingdom. Putting us in that sort of situation allows God to test our hearts and sift out those who are not totally devoted to him. It also allows him to give an answer to the the one taunting him by pointing to the endurance and faith of those who have waited for decades. The Scriptures point out in fact that there will be a seeming delay in the arrival of Christ. That's why the prophecy in Revelation says: "There will be no delay any longer." So, the delay has served God's purpose to induce a faithless element to bolt from the organization and begin beating their brothers while the master is delaying. Once the ferment reaches a certain point though, obviously synchronized with the outworking of many other events and prophecies, then the end comes.

  Interestingly, typically those whose faith proves too feeble for the task are those who are 2nd and 3rd generation Witnesses. The majority on this board, by far, are those who inherited a religion but not a faith. It seems that there is a parallel with those newly settled Israelites who were the 2nd and 3rd generation after the Exodus, of whom the Scripture says: "...And another generation began to rise up after them that did not know Jehovah or the work that he had done for Israel." It's amazing how these things repeat themselves over and over.

  I will be writing more on this later / You Know
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  Famous Last Words

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  the great depression had more to do with shaping the character and defining the last century than any other event, except the great wars that caused and followed the depression.

  the structure of the financial system though has radically changed since that time, in that it is many times larger, global in fact, and it is much more fragile and complex, in that it reacts nearly instantaneously to various factors.

  the average person is now much more dependent upon and indebted to the system as well.

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  That seems to be a contradiction. You didn't address my point about the manna. That seems to be a lesson that not
  trusting fully on Jehovah is a mistake.

  Manna foreshadowed God's provision of Christ. Jesus said he was the true bread from heaven. God doesn't generally make pennies rain from heaven, so its really not the same. I posted some Bible principles that are relevant though. But why should I care if you go into the tribulation totally naked and unsuspecting?

  Are we supposed to rely on ourselves or on Jehovah to provide?

  Most people carry a spare tire in the trunk. It's just common sense to prepare for future adversity. I don't know of anyone that lays around expecting God to drop food into their lap. We work and save and rely on God, and Jehovah blesses our efforts if we need a little help in that area. Being prudent and shrewd doesn't mean that a person doesn't trust God. On the contrary, in my case it means that I absolutely trust that God is going to rock this world like it's never been rocked. Therefore I do what I can to prepare myself and others for that eventuality. / You Know
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  Famous Last Words

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  the great depression had more to do with shaping the character and defining the last century than any other event, except the great wars that caused and followed the depression.

  the structure of the financial system though has radically changed since that time, in that it is many times larger, global in fact, and it is much more fragile and complex, in that it reacts nearly instantaneously to various factors.

  the average person is now much more dependent upon and indebted to the system as well.

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  If God provides, won't he provide equally to all who depend on him, or will he have to provide more to those who weren't able to store up gold, silver or food?

  Of course he will provide. And those that had the insight to set something aside may provide for others too. The Scriptures say that "money is for a protection." The Proverbs also say that 'the shrewd one sees the calamity coming and proceeds to conceal himself, whereas the inexperinced one suffers the penalty.' So those are principles that may apply. That's why people have bank accounts and insurance policies and so forth now to protect themselves from unseen calamity and hard times. Money just has its limitations, that's all. Hard money would be more valued, It's just that so few people can ever imagine the system totally failing; paper wealth has seduced many into thinking that it will always be worth something. Y2K got some people thinking along those lines, about the possibility of the system failing, but now that its come and gone and an even greater apathy has prevailed. In the case of gold though, I don't advise others to buy it. I think if there were a period of intense inflation, yeah, the price of gold may double or triple like it did in the 70's when it spiked at nearly $1,000 an ounce, but in the case of a total crash it would be a completely different thing. Back during the Depression Roosevelt outlawed the private onwership of gold. So I would imagine that there will be some sort of gun/gold confiscation when things get ugly.

  As an aside, when the Scriptures talk about people throwing their gold and silver in the street, I don't think Jehovah had the literal metal in mind. It's just that back in Bible times paper money didn't exist. And there have been many instances when paper money has become worthless. Germany's Riechsmark comes to mind most readily. But I assure you that back in 1923 when it took a wheelbarrow full of marks to buy a loaf of bread, and the currency was so worthless that people used it to light fires in their stoves, that they were not throwing gold and silver in the streets. On the contrary, gold and silver become even more sought after when paper becomes worthless.

  One final thought: When Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans, the Jews didn't throw their money in the streets either. They ate it. I seem to recall that Josephus reported that many Jews swallowed their gold in hopes of surrendering to the Romans, and upon their hoped for release, they could fetch their treasure out of the sewer. When the Romans got wind of it they started gutting the Jews and getting the gold. That's a pretty sharp contrast with those relative few surviviors who got out when the gett'n was good back in 67 when the Roman originally encamped against the city. Jehovah does indeed provide a way out for those few who are wise enough to obey him.

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  Famous Last Words

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  the great depression had more to do with shaping the character and defining the last century than any other event, except the great wars that caused and followed the depression.

  the structure of the financial system though has radically changed since that time, in that it is many times larger, global in fact, and it is much more fragile and complex, in that it reacts nearly instantaneously to various factors.

  the average person is now much more dependent upon and indebted to the system as well.

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  If I understand your answer to me correctly, there is nothing a person can do physically or financially to prepare for the upcoming financial tribulation that you are predicting.

  I am not saying that necessarily. It would be wise to get out of debt and that kind of thing, maybe buy some gold and silver. I think it's wise also to have some food stored up in case of storms, earthquakes, that kind of thing. But what we are facing is not just a depression, or something like that, but in the liklihood of a total global financial blowout, everything goes, even the governments will apparently be brought to their knees, and afterwards take some real draconian measures to try and perpetuate their system a little longer. So there is nothing that has ever occured that can really approximate what will happen when God pulls the plug on this old world. By far then the best preparations are spiritual ones. People are just going to go nuts because they never imagined that the system could so completely and utterly fail, so the spiritual readiness is what Christ advised. Then we will be able to withstand the blow when Jehovah begins to rock the heavens and the earth as a prelude to their total annihilation.

  As I understand it, you do not attend meetings and have not gone out in service for many years.

  I don't know where you could have gotten that idea. I am a regular meeting attender and am also a high hour publisher and frequent auxillary pioneer. I regular pioneer for a year at a stretch from time to time. I have brought a dozen or so people into the truth and am working on a few right now.

  Furthermore, you believe that the WT has misinterpreted the Bible and that you have a better interpretation of prophesy.

  I don't at all think that the Watchtower has misrepresented the Bible. Their doctrines are irrefutable. Where they have gotten into problems is when it come to interpreting prophecy. There is a difference. But, even at that, largely their interpretation are just premature. They have laid the foundation necessary for Jehovah to complete the task, which he will do through Christ at his arrival. The reason we are disadvantaged in that regard is because Jehovah only reveals prophecy when it suits his purpose. What I have endeavored to do, is present to those with doubts a Scriptural basis for why God would allow those who are otherwise his servants to get it wrong. The apostasy plays upon the presumption that if those who claim to speak for God misunderstand prophecy that they are automatically disqualified as being the true servants of Jehovah. What I have presented over the years debunks that false idea.

  Doesn't all of this comprise apostasy?

  You have a wrong idea about my being inactive. As for the prophecies, just recognizing that there is a wrong interpretation doesn't make one an apostate. A true apostate would use such wrongs, whether real or imagined, as a pretext for leaving the truth and drawing others away. My purpose is the opposite. I would point to the judgments of Jehovah hidden deeply within his word, regarding how Jehovah conceals his secrets from his own servants, as a means of persuading some not to so hastily abandon their faith. My pointing to the impending financial blowout is just a means to try to get people to more soberly look at what the world is facing and recognize that all is not as it seems. There are a number of prophecies that I have never, and will never, present in this forum that are why I am convinced that what we see developing is going to ultimately lead into the great tribulation.

  Of course apostates have always tried to hang the "apostate" tag on me, but they are not able. It is interesting in our weekly Bible reading in Job, Bildad inferred that Job was an apostate (8:13)and that God was punishing him. I can relate to that accusation.

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  the great depression had more to do with shaping the character and defining the last century than any other event, except the great wars that caused and followed the depression.

  the structure of the financial system though has radically changed since that time, in that it is many times larger, global in fact, and it is much more fragile and complex, in that it reacts nearly instantaneously to various factors.

  the average person is now much more dependent upon and indebted to the system as well.

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  Yeah, right, whenever I put one of you in your place I am usually accused of some crime or another. How dare me call an apostate an apostae! LOL / You Know
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  For YouKnow re: A global webpage I found

  by sf in

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  dear mr. king,.

  i happened upon this page in my continued search on this subject:.

  < http://hardtruth.topcities.com/antiamericangroups.htm.

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  What do you say of the RUSSEL family "bloodline" that you read in the page?

  If the Illuminati exists it would not be possible to trace their linage like that. Supposedly the Illuminati is the upper tier in Satan's political hierarchy. It is super-secretive by nature, so I seriously doubt that their lineages could be so neatly laid out. It seems absurd. As for Russell, he began his Bible study group as a boy practically, in his early 20's anyway. It is preposterous to imagine that he was initiated into anything as nefarious as the Illuminati.

  And are you a baptized Jehovah's Witness Mr. King?

  Yes of course.

  If so, what position do you hold in your congregation, if I may ask?

  None at the moment. Taking a little break. / You Know
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  Joining

  by Daniel in

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  i want to join the jw family but i am having trouble finding a hall in houston.

  do anyone know how i can find one or help me by giving me one in houston.

  thanks

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  Daniel: There are answers to everything they are throwing at you. Oftentimes the answers are not simple but require some depth of Bible knowledge to address. They know though that you don't know the answers yet, so they are trying to bury you under a mountain of information in order to cause you to doubt or become suspicious about Jehovah's Witnesses. They know they can't pull this kind of stuff on a strong Witness, so they prey on individuals like yourself. Did you notice how excited they got when you came on the board. They know you are vulnerable. They live for opportunities to turn someone from having faith in Jehovah God. It's the same kind of frenzy that a pack of hyenas goes into when they get a scent of blood in the air. Read the letter of Jude and 2 Peter the 2nd chapter. Those two portions of the Scriptures explain how apostates operate. Look particularly at 2 Peter 2:18. It reads: "For they utter swelling expressions of no profit, and by the desires of the flesh and loose habits they entice those who are just escaping from people who conduct themselves in error." Did you notice that the Scriptures said they would offer "swelling expressions of no profit." In other words, as some might put it, they are full of BS. They have absolutely nothing of spiritual value to offer you, yet they would rob you of your own spirituality. Notice too that they try to entice others who are just escaping from the world. That's you. A lot of these XJW's are very immoral people. They would have you imagine that they "escaped" from the Watchtower, but in truth many of them were thrown out because they are homosexuals and fornicators. And the reason they don't come back is because God won't let them. Don't let them fool you man. If you want to learn the truth about Jehovah and serve him you should do it and not give any heed to people who are obviously doing the work of the Devil. / You Know
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  Famous Last Words

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  the great depression had more to do with shaping the character and defining the last century than any other event, except the great wars that caused and followed the depression.

  the structure of the financial system though has radically changed since that time, in that it is many times larger, global in fact, and it is much more fragile and complex, in that it reacts nearly instantaneously to various factors.

  the average person is now much more dependent upon and indebted to the system as well.

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  I don't see any fruitages of the spirit displayed. I just see derision and name calling and rudeness.

  Of course I hold apsotates in derision. So does Jehovah and Christ. You want me to sweet talk you? It ain't gonna happen. But let me get this straight, most of you people blaspheme God and Christ and don't even know whether there is a spirit. You are a self-confessed homosexual. Now you are going to judge me as to whether I have God's spirit? That is lunacy. You are so far removed from God that probably wouldn't know a fruit of the spirit if it came up and bit you. But, I can tell you this, I find great JOY in bringing God's word to bear against you. It strengthens my FAITH beyond measure to see how impotent apostates are when the sword of the spirit is wielded against them. Also, my participation on this board is a demonstration of my LOVE for my brothers and others who might be taken if by your fraud. Also, I demostrate SELF-CONTROL, in that I don't REALLY let you have it. So, there's 4 fruits of the spirit right there. Joy, faith, love, and self-control. / You Know